Talk:Feuerstelle

Talking Marta into giving you the key is based on a system of points. Successful logic bombs that force the shrine to exert its influence on her gain points. Trying to convince her through threats and morality-based arguments is wasted effort. You need at least 3 points to get the amulet peacefully. To gain points: Use Etiquette Academic to point out the inherent contradiction in a freedom-based cult with a totalitarian leader. Point out that the manifesto is inconsistent in its juxtaposition of charity and egoism. Mention that Harrow was going to make the initiates do something horrible (after talking to the female initiate outside). Mention the blood-stained shirt found in the lounge. Mention that Glory had to kill a man to get a tri-vid player for Harrow - and he loved it.

I was able to get all 5 points and still she would only come with me and not give the amulet. I want to kill Harrow and have her live, if she comes with me she must die. how do I get her to give the amulet?

-If you get 5 points, you should have the choice of either asking her to come along, or get her to give you the amulet and then escape.